Arindal Forum

for people who missed the fun yesterday :
Just a little overview.


Ziyal exclaims, "Commercial!"
Ziyal says, "yesterday we finally were able to set a final date for commercial"
Ziyal says, "it'll be februari 1, a friday"
Ziyal says, "that's it, meeting over "

Questions and some answers :

1: Rewarded for playing beta
K'haquel asks, "will there be a "thank you for playing, buy all the stuff you ever wanted for 1c" seller?"
Ziyal says, "no"

K'haquel says, "did you ever thought about this? "
Ziyal says, "but we will have fun items the coming weeks"
Ziyal says, "and who knows, you might be able to buy all you want before the game restarts"

2: preppayed players extra:
Jazzmertize asks, "It's said that pre paying people will get some nice extra stuff. The same item for everyone or individual ones?"
Ziyal asks, "individual ones? you mean a original special item for every character that prepaid?"
(Jazzmertize nods)
Ziyal says, "it'll be the same for all people who prepaid"

3: Prices:
Glamdring asks, "first question is: will the prices differ from the presale accounts and if so how much?"
Ziyal says, "yes they'll differ"
Ziyal says, "1 month: 9.95"

4: Account
Glamdring asks, "ok, second question: how long ic a char kept "alive" if there is no payment?"
Ziyal asks, "you mean in our database?"
Glamdring says, "yes, in a way, that you can pay again and play on with it"
Ziyal says, "players can always be restored"
Freeze ponders, "with the same exp?"
Ziyal says, "with the experience they had the last time they paid "

5:Bards
Fearr asks, "How about the bards, will they need to write new songs, or can they use the same old songs, they used at their audition?"
Ziyal says, "we did not make any decisions on that, but I'd be surprised if they need to write new songs to become bard. That'd make no sense"
Fearr asks, "But they need to do a audition again?"
Ziyal says, "we do hope to get more songs though "
Ziyal says, "yes there will be new auditions, basically because we need to make them more popular and active again"
Fearr says, "Maybe it's not allow to ask that but.."

6:Prices vs Clanlord
Fearr asks, "Why did you made the prices higher then the clanlord ones?"
Ziyal says, "we did not"
Fearr says, "You did "
Ziyal asks, "we did?"
Elron says, "thanks"
Fearr says, "Month 9.95 Dollar there"
Fearr says, "Dollar not Euro "
Ziyal says, "ah that way"
Ziyal asks, "because we live in europe?"
Ziyal says, "we need to pay cl a high amount of money"
Ziyal says, "it's based on the amount of players, with a minimum"
Ziyal says, "we for sure would lower the prices if we could, we're not making the game to become rich ourselves "
Fearr says, "And maybe get it bit lower price too"
Ziyal says, "that might be possible, in the future "

7: new character price
Fearr asks, "How much you will need to pay for a new character?"
Ziyal asks, "on your account?"
Fearr ponders, "I'm interrested in it, you maybe not but me"
Ziyal says, "it'll be a one time payment of 9.95"

8: marries characters:
Falk asks, "are married charakters still married after the storm?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "see it from the bright side: you'll need to ask her again (or him) and can have a party "
Ziyal says, "it's a full reset Falk, so also marriages are reset"

9: Where to register for an account
Puppy says, "i am still not getting it. wen do we have to pay? how much do we have to pay? were do we have to pay and in what do we have to pay "
Ziyal says, "that's all in the forum"
Ziyal says, "https://www.arindal.com/accounting/comm/register.php"

10:Character and account name
Fearr asks, "Will the first Charakter get the same name that the Account get, we had registered?"
Ziyal says, "you just create your character like you always did"
Ziyal says, "account names have nothing to do with character names"

11:Characters /races
Fearr asks, "You asked in the forum about the characters, are there any decision done about changing them?"
Ziyal asks, "you mean?"
Fearr says, "Ehm races "
Ziyal says, "the changes will be very small, most races wont be changed"
Ziyal says, "the azcatl and Maqua will be adapted a bit, because they're unbalanced"
Ziyal says, "and the Sirrush"
Ziyal says, "actually the sirrush give the most problems for newbies"
Ziyal says, "because they're a fighter race, and they need corpus to become one."
Ziyal says, "But they have a very bad balance malus, which makes this really hard at start"
Ziyal says, "Maqua and Azcatl will still be healer races, with clear advantages"
Ziyal says, "there's no need to panic over the changes we make, it won't make a big difference"
Ziyal says, "if we'd have planned major changes, we'd have done it a long time ago and have a reset "

12: 2 characters online?
Arlon asks, "can 2 charactors at the same time p[ay form one acount?"
Ziyal says, "no"

13:Building and bridges remain?
Arlon asks, "briges buildings ext.? will they have ot be build again?"
Ziyal says, "some, some not"

14: Skins after commercial
Arlon asks, will people hold their special choosen skin and hair colours?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "you'll ned to create a new chgaracter"

15:Second char
Ankh Phaedra asks, "Can a second caracter be prepaid also and recieve the gods present?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ankh Phaedra says, "thanks"
Ziyal says, "unless you buy an extra account"
Ankh Phaedra says, "I understand"

16:Payment to late
Jazzmertize asks, "What happens, if the payment reaches Fairtales later than 14 days but before commercial?"
Ziyal says, "since we're late ourselves with paypall and such, we won't make a big problem about it"
Ziyal says, "however"
Ziyal says, "if we don't have your payment at februari 1, you can't play till we have it"

17: Nors updated
K'haquel asks, "will nors be changed more than slightly, like azcatl and maquas?"
Ziyal says, "if thy'll be, it'll be a very slight change"

18:Karma system
Fearr says, "How about the Karma, I like that in CL you can see if somebody got bad karma and if somebody got good karma"
Ziyal asks, "yes?"
Fearr asks, "Will something like this possible to do here too?"
Ziyal says, "no, we removed that a long time ago"
Ziyal says, "and we won't bring it back"

19:Prices in game material (weapons and so on)
Glamdring asks, "a while ago i heard from someone that the prices we pay for items are beta-prices to make it easier to get things and so test them. will prices in general stay the same or go up considerably?"
Ziyal asks, "you mean weapons and so?"
Ziyal says, "some weapons are rebalanced (but in a positive way for you)"
Ziyal says, "prices wont change."
Ziyal says, "we will change some prices for higher items though, like the bombs"
Ziyal says, "because they're too hard to make at the moment"
Ziyal says, "houses will be more expensive, because"
at commercial you will be able to place a flag at most places in the world
Ziyal says, "like you could with clan houses around town"
Ziyal says, "this means houses can be used also tactically"
Ziyal says, "and they'll be more expensive"

20: Ethereal hunters
Kathius asks, "will ethereal pirschers leave our world?"
Ziyal says, "more or less yes"
Ziyal says, "with restrictions here and there"
Ziyal says, "kathius, etheral hunters"
Ziyal says, "they'll stay, and be back one day"
Ziyal says, "but not in their current form"
Kathius asks, "?"
Ziyal says, "if you have 2 accounts you can use them both at the same time"
Ziyal says, "we'll get a new evil use for them "
Ziyal says, "because we know you all love them "
Ziyal asks, "didn't you ask that?"

21: Paypal
Terra Bul asks, "how long does a paypal payment take to process.. and for how long will requested accounts be held for those paying this way?
Ziyal says, "paypall should be instant, but"
Ziyal says, "we, Gyges in this case, need to enter things in our database manually"

22:Buy weapons
Neleth says, "Will there be alternative ways to buy weapons and stuff? (other than by dropped items)"
Ziyal says, "maybe, but not for the items that exist already"
Neleth says, "like only money"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "you'll always have to work for an item"
Ziyal says, "but it might be that some items upgrade by doing a quest"

23: Housing
Leda says, "questions concerning housing"
Leda asks, "1st: will it be possible to upgrade houses? e.g. buy a small one and replace it with a larger later?"
Ziyal says, "not at the moment"
Leda asks, "2nd will we get experience like in MT in our houses? if yes, same rate?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "we've did consider that of course"
Ziyal says, "but we chose to have them placed at tactical positions"
Ziyal says, "if wanted"
Ziyal says, "with the current amount of players, having a library at them will make problems"
Ziyal says, "you sell keys to a group of people, and stay at a certain spot to hunt"
Ziyal says, "it'll divide community too much"
Ziyal says, "it's of course possible we change this in the future"

24: Commercial start
Fearr asks, "You said that the Beta will end at the evening of the 1.2 correct?"
Ziyal says, "correct"
Fearr asks, "When does the comm start then, 1h or 2h after it, or the next day at a time?"
Ziyal says, "we hope it'll be like a normal storm"
Fearr says, "So no time to chill then "
Ziyal says, "well..."
Ziyal says, "some updates take longer than others"
Ziyal says, "but we hope it wont take hours, because that'll mean we made some mistakes"
Ziyal says, "we have to fix somewhere late evening "
Ziyal says, "so it hopefully wont take too long"

25: Storm before commercial
Fearr asks, "Will it get another storm before the last one?"
Ziyal says, "there'll be one coming monday, and another one around the 17th"
Fearr exclaims, "When will this tree removed!"
Ziyal asks, "the xmas tree?"
Ziyal says, "it'll stay forever! to remind you all to be nice and friendly "

26: End Quest
Dido asks, "The endquest starts in the morning, afternoon or in the evening on the 1st?"
Ziyal says, "oh no, sorry for the misunderstanding"
Ziyal says, "the endquest will run TILL then"
Ziyal says, "it already started"
Ziyal says, "we do hope we have some nice stuff in the last weeks for you"
Ziyal says, "so stay tuned "
Ziyal says, "the grand final will be that last friday obviously"
Ziyal says, "but since all our quests are interactive and based on your actions, we can't say what will exactly happen at what time "
Ziyal says, "if noone is interested, we'll just shut down and restart "
Ziyal says, "but we sure hope that won't be the case of course"

27: Change of NPC
Puppy says, "will the npc's be the same"
Ziyal asks, "the same?"
Ziyal says, "most will be yes"

28:Housing and locations
Puppy says, "and about the houses"
Puppy asks, "is it possible to build some sort of private safes in dangerous hunting grounds?"
Ziyal says, "I don't understand the question I think"
Ziyal says, "Puppy asks if it's possible to build a house at good hunting grounds"
Ziyal says, "yes, it's possible, not everywhere, but almost everywhere"
Puppy asks, "will it become possible to build houses with a farmground? a garden or something?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "we'll have other solutions for that...one day"
Ziyal ponders, "note that I did not say *soon*"

29: Lagging
Aridor asks, "First: There are still some times when its pretty laggy, will that change with commercial?"
Ziyal says, "lag is very hard to change, it can have many reasons"
Ziyal says, "we will move our server from France to germany in the near future"
Ziyal says, "this means the game will be down (no payment of course) for one or two days"
Aridor asks, "but that will happen after the commercial start?"
Ziyal says, "we'll find a solution to let you all play though, some fun stuff, but without storing ranks and items"
Ziyal says, "yes"
Ziyal says, "it'd have been better to do it before, but we didn't"
Ziyal says, "but the lag is not caused by the current host"
Ziyal says, "we're moving the server for technical reasons (better support in case of problems)"

30:Buildings rebuild
Aridor asks, "You said before, that some buildings will need to be rebuilt, what about NPCs that aren't finished like the advanced lib, wulf fur or pirate wine guy?"
Ziyal says, "all those will be reset"
Ziyal says, "but..."
Ziyal says, "the advanced library one will be changed, we don't want to wait 3 years before we have an advanced lib "
Ziyal says, "I think the pirate one is finished btw"

31: How much accounts we have now
Newt asks, "Do you have some numbers such as, how many registered players for beta did you have, how many of them actually played (i.e., ranked outside MT), and what was the maximum number of players online, ever?"
Ziyal says, "puh...."
Ziyal says, "ok we have about 5000-6000 registered accounts"
Newt asks, "Just an estimate maybe?"
Ziyal says, "most never even logged in"
Ziyal says, "I have no clue how many did log in, but we do have numbers somewhere, yes"
Ziyal says, "for those, most showed up in the newbie walk, and directly left"
Ziyal says, "as in *directly*"
Ziyal says, "7267"
Ziyal says, "but again, most never made it out of the first room in the newbie walk"
Ziyal says, "and then we have some people with really dozens of accounts and characters"
Ziyal says, "I once saw one with more than 200"
Ziyal says, "so...the numbers are pretty blurred"

32: GM Team
Jazzmertize asks, "Will there be changings in the GM team?"
Ziyal says, "we do have a new quest GM
Ziyal says, "well, biggest change is that I'm till commercial working mostly on the game"

33: Fullscreen client
Jazzmertize says, "it was said before: Once there was a screenshot in the forum of a .. fullscreen Client."
Jazzmertize asks, "a statemant to that?"
Ziyal says, "it was a joke"

34:Clan houses
Glamdring asks, "will they be available from the start? will they cost the same? can the hopuses be placed anywhere aswell? can these houses be upgraded?"
Ziyal says, "they'll be available when you've build the clanhut"
Ziyal says, "they'll cost the same"
Ziyal says, "thre will be clan experience"
Ziyal says, "the clanhouses - right now - cant be placed everywhere, but I'm open for a discussion about that (in the forum please)"
Ziyal says, "the houses can be upgraded, several levels"
Glamdring asks, "to the clans individual like or all the same?"
Ziyal says, "we have 3 kinds of basic buildings"
Ziyal says, "these 3 can be upgraded with fitting images"
Ziyal says, "but the procedure will be the same"
Glamdring asks, "can clans buy chests or something like that?"
Ziyal says, "yes"
Ziyal says, "and they'll have own clan trainers"
Ziyal says, "and quests"
Ziyal says, "but this is all *under construction*"

35: Rings
Fearr says, "How about this small thing here"
Fearr laat zijn trouwring met een fijne inscriptie van de namen Fearr en Jeanny aan iedereen zien.
Ziyal asks, "yes?"
Fearr asks, "Will it get any more uses, like seeing if the other is fallen without sharing?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "if you love each other you share each other"
Ziyal says, "otherwise it's no true love "
Ziyal says, "we help out to make weddings fun, but it's a roleplay happening"
Ziyal says, "even if feelings are sometimes real "
Ziyal says, "we don't want to have weddings, or wedding rings, give so much extras that people marry because of the extra free share"
Ziyal says, "it's supposed to be fun, but that's it"

36: Zombies
Falk asks, "1st: What about the zombies and skelettons. Will they remain there? Even if we don't finish Irinas rescue and or get ahead in Tigers castle or wherever they come from?"
Ziyal says, "no commend "

37: Locating trainers
Falk asks, "2nd: Will the locating trainers be modified?"
Ziyal says, "we're watching the locating trainers, and those who train it"
Falk says, "i don't know how they are now... but my status is that they are useless rank-eaters"
Ziyal says, "but I don't think we'll have many more changes there"

38:Delete character
Falk asks, "3rd: When someone pays for 2 charakters and then deletes one of them... does he have to pay again for the "new second charakter"?"
Ziyal says, "we'll have a restart"
Ziyal says, "ranks will come in easily, locating has low slaughter"
Ziyal says, "the ranks asked for it to be useful arent much, but right now, for highrankers, it takes long
Ziyal says, "we think it's pretty balanced atm"
p Ziyal says, "no ofcourse not"
Ziyal says, "you pay for a *slot* in your account manager, not for a name"

39: Clan feature
Falk says, " will there be additional clan features and maybe something like "ckanmate xy"
Ziyal asks, "rephrase please?"
Falk says, "well..."
Falk says, "at the moment I see "Shanne is fallen by xyz" as she is in my clan"
Falk says, "but i don't see when she rised again"
Falk ponders, "without sharing"
Falk says, "could be a bug..."
Ziyal says, "that's a bug"
Ziyal says, "bug it please "
Falk says, "will i get a free month for bugging something? "
Ziyal says, "definitely not"
Ziyal says, "it's not a *fixed* game"
Ziyal says, "the world always changes, and we will have bugs"

40: Transfer crystals
Bauxi says, "Will there be a possibility to test transfer kristalls before end of beta? They have no usage till now"
Ziyal says, "no, they have no use"
Ziyal says, "I actually thought they're no longer spawned"

41: Tattoos
Dido asks, "1st: What about tattoos?"
Ziyal says, "tattoes will be in, one day"
Ziyal says, "but it's no priority"

42: Untraining
Dido asks, "2nd: Will there be a possibility to untrain?"
Ziyal says, "no"
Ziyal says, "unless we make a buggy trainer"
Ziyal says, "but not as ingame feature"
Ziyal says, "it makes no sense ic"
Dido asks, "and when you change a trainer after someone trained a lot in it?"
Dido says, "if there is a new trainer"
Dido says, "a powerfull one, and you train a lot of rank in him"
Ziyal says, "yes"
Dido says, "but you change him because he's too powerfull."
Dido says, "And that person finds, because of these changes, that he would have trained something else"
Ziyal says, "well, I sure hope we won't have this ever"
Ziyal says, "but it happened in cl a long time ago"
Ziyal says, "after their commercial"
Dido ponders, "(maybe healer balance trainer is too powerfull)"
Ziyal says, "*if* this happens, we'll have a big problem, and we'll set up a meeting with all involved, to find a solution. But"
Ziyal says, "we'll make sure nobody looses ranks, or has a messed up character because of this"

43: More players in future
Jazzmertize asks, "Do you Gms think, that there will be >more< People playing Arindal in the future? Do you think even if it's not free anymore people will stay?"
Ziyal says, "ok, that's a tricky question "
Ziyal says, "the last months, we'vesent out press releases"
Ziyal says, "many"
Ziyal says, "the sad reality is that we got 3 or 4 reactions"
Ziyal says, "the press release was made by someone who's job it is to make the, and who knows the game well"
Terra Bul says, "i guess it's partially up to us then... mouth to mouth can do a lot.."
Ziyal says, "yes ... mouth to mouth advertisement works best"
Ziyal says, "however..."
iyal says, "despite that big disappointment..."
Ziyal says, "we did manage to make a good *agratis* system - we hope"
Ziyal says, "agratis = (for all who dont know cl) their way to let unpaying people play the game"
Jazzmertize asks, "so the gm team is confident?"
Ziyal says, "no, we're not confident, we wanted many more players, we love this game, and we're disappointed to be unable to reach more players"
Ziyal says, "but we are happy with our *newbie* system"
Jazzmertize says, "Any plans to change it with fresh power or.. too dissappointed? (last question)"
Ziyal says, "unpaying players will be able to visit the game as visitor, but create a name and character (with many limitations)"
Ziyal says, "and rank a bit"
Ziyal says, "and their character and ranks will be stored once they pay"
Ziyal says, "their shares wont pay out, untill they pauy (to those they share)"
Ziyal says, "we hope we'll get slowly more new players this way, like we're still slowly getting more new players
Ziyal says, "sadly, it is too slow"
Ziyal says, "and..."
Ziyal says, "we will not be able to run the game for years if we don't get more paying players"
Ziyal says, "but well...we keep trying"

44:Group prices:
Bauxi asks, "will it be possible to make a gruop price instead of non paying for big groups and limited time?"
Bauxi says, "For example"
Bauxi asks, "when a group of about 15 starts to play and pay 5 euro each month for 6 month and then they must go or pay full?"
Ziyal says, "it's tricky"
Ziyal says, "we have abad deal with cl"
Ziyal says, "but it was the only deal possible, it was either that or no game . so we took it"
Ziyal says, "the prices are based on our amount of players"
Ziyal says, "with a minumum"
Bauxi says, "The backgroud of my question is"
Bauxi says, "i have about 90 potential playing kids a year"
Ziyal says, "so...I cannot answer it. we should calcultae it, and see if it's possible"
Bauxi says, "and 5 euros evry of them have spare"
Bauxi says, "and after 6 month they begin to work"
Bauxi says, "and stay if the game is funny"
Bauxi says, "yes glam before christmas every year"
Ziyal says, "well...we did think of presenting the game to schools...look how much the english of some players improved (despite the lack of punctuations)"
Bauxi says, "my kids are 15"
Bauxi says, "some of teh last play here "
Ziyal says, "I'm interested in it Bauxi, but I can't give you an answer if it's possible"
Ziyal asks, "can you please mail your ideas to Gyges?"
Bauxi says, "yes i do"
Ziyal says, "and we'll look into it"

45: Trainers
K'haquel asks, "will some trainers change in meaning of their effectiveness and / or new ones arrive? maybe 4th circle trainer?"
Ziyal says, "new ones will surely arrive"
Ziyal says, "if any trainers will change, it'll be recupera and Valens"
K'haquel asks, "recu?"
Ziyal says, "but frankly, I doubt it"
Ziyal says, "I had some talks with cl gms last days"
Ziyal says, "not the healers, some trainers "
Ziyal says, "on paper, valens is good
Ziyal says, "recuprera is very powerful"
Ziyal says, "on paper, recupera should be 2nd circle, and valens 1st"
K'haquel asks, "will the "becoming a mage" system change?"
Ziyal says, "not noticible. It'll change a little bit, but obviously I cannot tell in what way"
Ziyal says, "it'll change in a way that the *bad luck* part will be removed"
Ziyal says, "*bad luck* is no proper description, but I cannot explain without explaining the system"

46: Autoshare
Falk says, "The topic was to differ "old newbies" from real newbies: maybe a new function could be implemented there..."
Falk says, "Something like autoshare on login with some kind if priority like: Friendlist first, then healers, then mages, then wanderers
Ziyal asks, "?"
Falk says, "well...
Falk says, "we have some kind of settings, right? like cou
Falk says, "so we could have a setting like "autoshare""
Falk says, "if we come back to the world we automatically share people"
Falk says, "with such a feature newbies could be forced to share from beginning"
Ziyal says, "I think auto share has many bad sides"
Falk says, "so that they don't have to lie around for ages"
Falk says, "okay we have the new yeller-guy"
Ziyal says, "we have a town yeller who announce players who dont share for that"
Falk says, "but only for 1 snell"
Ziyal says, "not since weeks"
Ziyal says, "we restarted it's no longer 1 snell"
Ziyal says, "we changed weeks ago already "
Ziyal says, "all fields
Ziyal says, "and all huts in them, underground areas etc"

47:Healer tests
Lafaborn says, "how is your status about healer tests and cad ? will it be 'soon', 'on the list', 'we'll think about that', 'that is an interesting idea', 'perhaps', 'hmm' or 'impossible' ? jokin', I know you are working on it, but any idea if it will be implemented once in commercial and 4th, like in 1 year and some more "
Ziyal says, "frankly, I do not know if it's possible to cad an NPC"
Ziyal says, "you'll need a scripter to answer that"
Ziyal says, "we *are* working on better tests"
Ziyal says, "but, as much as we'd love to have them, facts are we're a team of volunteers
Ziyal says, "and everything takes always longer than we want to, much longer"
Ziyal says, "we did want to make own healer tests, but with time, we decided to add the cl ones, because we couldn't find time to add own
Ziyal says, "so..."
Ziyal says, "I do hope we'll have better healer tests"
Ziyal says, "the first 2, maybe 3 will stay the same"
Ziyal says, "after that I really hope we come up with something that makes sense"
Ziyal says, "as the world is done for a while, I think it's doable"
Ziyal says, "we do already have test areas for it...."
Ziyal says, "but sadly, I cannot promis it"

48: How much players needed
Glamdring asks, "as you said, we are too few players at the moment. how long do you think arindal will survive with the current amount of players? i only want a rough estimate. like half a year? 1 year? 5 years?"
Ziyal says, "our payment to cl is lower the first year"
Ziyal says, "so far about 50 people ordered"
Ziyal says, "if they stay (and pay the normal costs
Ziyal says, "we can run the game"
Ziyal says, "of course, the problem is that we're not only have the payment to cl"
Ziyal says, "so, with between 50 and 100 paying players"
Ziyal says, "we can keep the game running"
Ziyal says, "and we will"
Ziyal says, "some gms even paid for their account, to support "
Ziyal says, "we knew the deal with cl was bad, but"
Ziyal says, "we loved alchera, we still had people asking us to come back"
Ziyal says, "and we love the game, and making it"
Ziyal says, "so we took the chance, even if it's old, outdated, and cl asks a ridiculous amount of money "
Ziyal says, "and we'll keep it running, as long as we can"
Ziyal says, "but of course..."
Ziyal says, "we have to compete with games who have paid gms"
Ziyal says, "who can work fulltime on development"
Ziyal says, "and we'll never win from them "
Ziyal says, "but we will keep trying to make a nice game, and keep it running, as long as we can."

/thank malachym!

thanks for the script

Wow, great summary, Mala! Thanks! )

Esk

Great work indeed. Thanks!

Thank you very much Mala for your résumé

PS : Maybe make it as a Sticky ?

50 people ordered till now? Wow, that's more then I expected, to be honest. Imho these "qualified" (to talk in "marketingish" ) users will be a good base for the community, because if you pay for something you will most probably also use it. So the "connection" is stronger...

Do we discuss topics in this thread? Two comments I want to make:



Fearr did not ask for an additional share - maybe he actually wants one, but he only asked to see when the other falls. This would be the same as for clans from what I know. So marriage would be of some "use". Is it really too much? Do you think people will marry just because of that?



I guess many people understand you are only a team of volunteers (me included). But in general this excuse won't work anymore. People are going to pay money now and they will expect something for it. This excuse will just strike back on you - people will leave. I can only suggest to not use it anymore once the commercial has started.

Only other way is to be as clever or powerful as Microsoft. I'm longing for the day they get sued for bugs in their products. It's just ridiculous that software manufacturers can exclude any product liability.

Renard

We believe that marriages are there for roleplaying. This means your partner will get a share, because he/she is your love of your life. So there's no need for a fallen message in case there's no share.



It's not an excuse, it's a fact. And people need to know that fact when they buy the product. It's fact we also cannot change, unless we'll have someone who pays us a good salary, which I personally doubt.
I don't like PR tricks, and I do not see any reason to lie about the fact we're volunteers, nor about the fact that because we are volunteers, some things take ages to create.

New healer tests are a feature, not a bug. I hope that even paying customers can understand that a team of volunteers can't include any feature they wish in no time, even a team of payed developers wouldn't be able to do that.
As Ziyal said, I prefer to tell our players the facts instead of not telling them anything. I think it is important for the players (you and future players) to understand that all of the GMs are not payed employees. We do our work because we love the game, but sometimes other things eat up our time. If one day FairTales earns lots of Euros with this game and will have paid GMs and developers, then I would understand people expecting more, but even then I would understand if someone says: "We can't implement this at the moment". The reason then might be "We have other priorities at the moment" instead of "a team of volunteers". This game gets updates very regularly and we try to listen to the wishes of the community, but many things just aren't doable. Even big companies sometimes update their software only very seldom (like a huge company did with their office software for the Mac) and even then, they might didn't include features many people wanted urgently.

But I understand what you wanted to say. In some circumstances a "we are a team of volunteers" will look bad and should be avoided.

See you soon
Aerandir

That's not the point though. It's not about excuse vs. fact, it's how people perceive it (Aerandir got my point). And paying money can change a lot in people's perception

Renard

First off, this is not to attack you, even if I quote you, Renard.

I'm just trying to make my point of how I see the game; I'm also speaking only for myself and not for any of the other GMs.

2nd, I also don't think Fearr asked for an extra share, I took it as he just wants to see if his wife is fallen.
This might be possible, but even if we decide to implement it, it will have VERY low priority.

3rd, if there actually was an extra share, you would see marriages within seconds after the big storm, mostly among our most popular rankwhores (you know who you are )

<rant>

Why do people eat fruit and cake in the game? It's a role-playing thingie. And yes, people marry just because of that.
Of course we could make eating stuff have some effects. See below.


Someone just pay me my usual rate of € 80 an hour, I'll be happy to work all day on Arindal then.
I doubt that FairTales will pay me that, though.
I also know that that you, Renard, are aware of this. I'm just emphasizing for others again that FairTails cannot pay ANYONE enough money to work for them.

We all have worked, sometimes hard, sometimes not so hard, on Arindal for several years now.
FairTales have paid some not-so-small amount of money for the server, the bandwidth and the license to DeltaTao (ClanLord).

You are paying (in my opinion) for the game as it is.

We will and do listen to player's wishes and complaints, but as mentioned several times, we are all volunteers and we do have jobs and something called a real life.
</rant>

L

80 Euros? damn i learning the wrong stuff...what di you study? informatics?

greets

/me scratches his head. Who are they, surely not this weak red ant ?

Hey if Lafa and Ari finally got married I'd support that. =)

Bau